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Old 06-11-2013, 06:32 PM
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Where has it been made known they were having fights?
Read that they had an up and down relationship in news article which referred to her blog (which has been shut down but I looked at some of it myself through Google Cache)

I also looked at some of her twitter and found what I thought was an interesting tweet given the future...

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Skynet caught me and wants me to pay $40 for speeding. Merry Xmas to you too Big Brother 
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WTF? A politically correct term for stripper?
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She performed with an acrobatic troupe.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:58 PM
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Read that they had an up and down relationship in news article which referred to her blog (which has been shut down but I looked at some of it myself through Google Cache)
Every relationship involving living with a significant other/wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend is an
"up and down" relationship.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:04 AM
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Glenn Greenwald is the reporter who broke the Snowden story.

On whistleblowers and government threats of investigation:

"The way things are supposed to work is that we're supposed to know virtually everything about what they do: that's why they're called public servants. They're supposed to know virtually nothing about what we do: that's why we're called private individuals.

This dynamic - the hallmark of a healthy and free society - has been radically reversed. Now, they know everything about what we do, and are constantly building systems to know more. Meanwhile, we know less and less about what they do, as they build walls of secrecy behind which they function. That's the imbalance that needs to come to an end. No democracy can be healthy and functional if the most consequential acts of those who wield political power are completely unknown to those to whom they are supposed to be accountable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...investigations
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:33 AM
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Glenn Greenwald is one of the 2 reporters who broke the Snowden story.

On whistleblowers and government threats of investigation:

"The way things are supposed to work is that we're supposed to know virtually everything about what they do: that's why they're called public servants. They're supposed to know virtually nothing about what we do: that's why we're called private individuals.

This dynamic - the hallmark of a healthy and free society - has been radically reversed. Now, they know everything about what we do, and are constantly building systems to know more. Meanwhile, we know less and less about what they do, as they build walls of secrecy behind which they function. That's the imbalance that needs to come to an end. No democracy can be healthy and functional if the most consequential acts of those who wield political power are completely unknown to those to whom they are supposed to be accountable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...investigations
Yea, it has nothing to do with Obama or Bush, Republican or Democrat. It has all to do with an imbalance of power and a lack of incentives that prevent it from continually getting worse. If this sort of thing is allowed to continue, then it will grow until it is abused in ways we can't forsee.

It is still questionable if this is worth it from a cost perspective. Lets debate that, oh wait we can't because budgets are secret. HAH! We can't do that because of "security".

Unfortunately the sad fact is anyone capable of causing real damage to our country is going to be sophisticated enough to evade this surveillance unless they happen to be living here.
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Old 06-12-2013, 05:25 PM
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Glenn Greenwald is not only incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable, and well spoken, but he's able to concisely deliver his answers in 60 second "sound bites" which is very difficult and trips up many people when TV puppetheads interrupt answers and try to ask a new question every 30 - 60 seconds. He's also able to control himself when confronted with lies and false information.


Glenn Greenwald interview on CNN 2 or 3 days ago about NSA, Wikileaks, the American press, etc. - he's as well spoken as it gets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBKG-LUAZV0



Glenn Greenwald defiant in interview with Lawrence O'Donnell on CNBC 5 days ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKUGQmqBpag




Another recent Glenn Greenwald interview on Snowden and NSA, on MSNBC, where he schools a typical TV puppethead host (Mika Brzezinski):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFeNcOjENYE





This is an appearance on CNN from end of December 2010 where he schools CNN puppethead Jessica Yellin and former Bush staff member Fran Townsend who try to attack Assange.

Townsend is demolished by Greenwald and spends the rest of her air time babbling incoherently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgnJ_W_5zU



Youtube has a lot more Greenwald interviews for anyone interested.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:57 PM
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I watched the first clip with the CNN host. One thing he doesn't really cover is that this is not really an issue about our 'freedom'. At least not currently. The NSA is not keeping anyone from doing anything. We still live in a fairly free society. We are not China.

The problem is this thing (PRISM) lacks any real checks and balances. Whether at policy level or the budget. It is a second power far removed from democracy that will eventually have thorough dossiers on every citizen. Those will be *very* indepth. This is the natural progression of this type of thing.

There is simply no reason this won't happen. The NSA lies. They don't care about having overreach. The more they can spy, the more power they have, the happier they are. You have to assume when a NSA spokesperson is talking, they are lying. That is their job.

At times I wonder if even the President himself isn't somewhat scared of these organizations.

I just wish the debate was more in this vein than the 'you aren't as free as you thought' argument which is a bit silly.
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This is but one consequence of a wildly broken system. There is no stopping this juggernaut.
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